I've long intended to make a video about Ducati dry clutches, but the opportunity has evaded me thus far. I do have a written "diagnosis" sheet which I'll neaten up and post here so I can link to it easily. I'll steal some photos from the net to fit the points. As follows:
If you can't select neutral with the engine running, but it's easy with the engine off, it means the clutch is dragging. Simple as that.
IME, things that can make it drag, from the top:
You can feel the lever get harder if
there's air coming out. Slow pulls, a few fast, slow, tap the hose, make
sure there's no high point loops in the hose, etc.
Some people add bleeder nipples at the master cylinder outlet and bleed there as well. Never seen the need myself - I just lean the bike over to the right more.
You can use a syringe to push fluid in from the slave bleeder and up to the top. Certainly one way to do it, and may dislodge air you can't get to otherwise (possibly more brake based, especially ABS unit). Just don't make a mess as it comes out the top.
On masters with the smaller, solid pin, the barrel on the end of the piston pushrod can wear in the lever, I've seen lots almost worn through the lever.
The piston pushrod
itself screws into the barrel, and underneath there is a grub screw that locks
the pushrod in place. If the grub screw
is loose, the pushrod will generally wind itself out, increasing the
free play. Often, with replacement levers
this grub screw is loose or not there, so always check that.
Conversely, if you want to adjust or remove the pushrod,
you need to make sure the grub screw is loose. It’s a 1mm hex key, so tiny. and
sometimes loctited in, so you might need some heat to make it move. Can be infuriating.
Crap aftermarket levers. Either giving excessive free play or no free play. Might be adjustable, maybe not. Some of the crap I see is just truly craptacular.
I've brought up the free play thing many times on forums, etc, and lots of people just don't get it. Or get very offended, like I've insulted their manhood. Seriously - make sure you have free play. Add more, just in case it helps. If I have one that just won't bleed, I often remove the lever to make sure. Even if it was fine last week - add more free play. You'd be amazed how many times it just works.
Using a very flat surface, check the rest of the
steel plates to see if any of the other plates behave like the spring plate,
flipping them to check both sides. If they do, they're warped and need
replacing. You can't get around them being warped. You may also
find someone has fitted more than 1 of the 1.5mm spring plates for some reason, valid or not. There was a DP slipper for 1198 that liked 4 of them. Really don't understand how it worked without dragging like crazy, but I've done it, so I know it was fine.
As above, there are
also flat 1.5mm steel plates, used in the 1098 onwards 8 friction plate packs
and the Surflex sintered 8 friction plate packs that used to come in SP / SPS/ R models, so don't think any and all 1.5mm steel plates are springs. Unless
you have a stash of good steel plates, the only place to get them is a new
complete pack. OEM, Barnett, Ducabike, Newfren, Adige and Surflex all make
packs. Aluminium plates in a steel basket will make the plates
sacrificial - it's what I tend to do these days.
Hub wear - the centre part the plates go over. Watching from above, pull the lever in and see if the
spring caps move outwards as the lever free play takes up, then stop and then
the pressure plate starts lifting off the pack. If so, the large star
like washer at the front of the hub is eating its way into the hub. Pretty common. You can add another washer (i've seen up to 4) or
replace the hub if it's very worn. The original hub centre is a rubber
block cush drive assembly, so it will move a little when ok, but only a little. If you remove the pressure plate and pack and push the hub backwards you
can usually see the wear there.
Aluminium baskets that have had aluminium friction plates in them will have a burr on the inside of the basket grooves where the basket has been peened by the plates. I usually scrape that off - it comes off fairly easily with the carbide scraper. Not sure if it really makes any difference.
Sometimes, the peened out bits of the tangs on the friction plates as in the picture below can get between the steel plates and hold the pack apart and
make it slip. Just grind the peened out bits off and stick it back in.
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I have experience with clutch slippage. This applies to small engine blocks with the slave cylinder in the right crankcase cover. If you release the clutch gently, such as when pulling away from an intersection, it's still fine. But if you shift through the gears and release the clutch more quickly, the clutch starts to slip. The cause is a worn, flat O-ring that tilts when the clutch is released more quickly, preventing the slave cylinder from properly returning to the cylinder. The solution is to replace the O-ring and lubricate it with brake fluid-resistant grease.
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